Hot Hatches - A US Market Guide

"Garrett Davis" (GarrettDavis) 04/03/2014 at 11:31 • Filed to: None

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The hot hatch isn’t exactly a recent trend in the US, but it never really caught on here like it did in Europe. Sure, we’ve had the GTI here forever, the Civic SI could sometimes be had in a hatch, and the MazdaSpeed 3 has been tearing up our streets for the better part of a decade now, but we still never had the selection that our European friends did. That is starting to change now, though, and we have more hatches to choose from than ever before.

I’m not exactly a stranger to these micro wagons, as I drive a relatively “lukewarm” hatch (‘97 318ti) right now, but I figured it was time for an upgrade, mostly because the term ‘hot hatch’ is so much catchier. I just happen to be in the market for one of these little beasts, and have been doing what I always do when I’m shopping; researching the ever loving shit out of anything that has to do with what I’m buying. With this being the case, I figured it was my duty to pass this information on to you. Yes, I know, how noble of me, right?

So. Here I have compiled a list of all the cars (in no particular order) we have available that meet the criteria with some quick notes about how they drive and how well equipped they are, along with some tech specs. Why? Because we all love tech specs, Tex Mex, and more tech specs, that’s why. I have driven most of these cars, either on multiple test drives from dealerships, generous colleagues/friends, or a few counts of good ol’ grand theft auto (don’t worry, I brought them back. Eventually).

Note: All prices shown below are as of writing this article, and will be shown below by the Jalopnik standard of “how many V6 Mustangs you can get for that much,” which is currently $22,510 starting.

Mini Cooper S

Who says you can’t buy a BMW hatchback in the US anymore? Yeah, yeah, the new Mini isn’t actually all that mini anymore, and it certainly isn’t British, but they’re damn fun cars. I have never been a huge fan of the styling — especially not the interior (which is now greatly improved for 2014) — but I can appreciate it as a driver’s car, which comes first and foremost for this list. The Mini was just refreshed for 2014, so I haven’t driven the new generation, but I spent some time behind the wheel of a 2012, and it was a lot of fun. It totally changed my mind about the car, and now I just get it.

This one isn’t exactly the fastest on this list, but that speaks more to the quality of contenders rather than the shortcomings of the Mini. Acceleration is quick. Not mind boggling or violent, but it’s very consistent. There is no turbo lag to speak of, and the little turbo 4 pulls strong throughout the rev range. Throw this thing into some twisties, and it all comes together. Suddenly it makes sense why these flood autocross courses. The ride is pretty stiff in normal driving, but feels just right when you toss it into a corner. There is surprisingly little body roll, and you get that characteristic go-kart feel when you crank it around a turn. It just... works. When it comes to living with the car, I could see its small interior space becoming a problem, due to the fact that there really isn’t any. The back seat remains a challenge for most any adult, and there isn’t a whole lot of room for gear, so plan ahead.

Also, they finally took the gigantic speedometer off of the center of the dash, so, you know, 20 points to Gryffindor, or something.

Specs:

Horsepower: 189

Torque: 207 ft-lbs

Curb weight: 2,760 lbs

MPG: 23/36 city/highway

0-60: ~6.5 sec

Top speed: 136 mph

Price: 1.05 V6 Mustangs or $23,800

Reviews:

Jalopnik

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Ford Fiesta ST

This little guy has quickly become a bit of a favorite in the auto journo world, and for good reason. It’s a small, practical, and light little hatch with nearly 200 ponies stuffed under the hood, and some severely underrated torque figures twisting its tires. The best part about it, though, is its price. Add in a few grand for some of the best OEM seats this side of $40k, and the Fiesta ST is an absolute steal. Anything that can come out favorably !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! has to be good (take this time now to argue in the comments, I’ll wait).

The Fiesta is at its best on twisty canyon roads, but it makes its power so early that launching out of any corner or stoplight is equally fun. It sits right at the sweet spot of power where you can hammer on the throttle any time you want, and not really have to worry about getting into too much trouble. Steering feel is excellent and very direct, allowing you to swoop in to tight turns at higher speeds than your gut tells you feels safe. There are some drawbacks, though. Those excellent Recaro seats take a bit of breaking in, especially for bigger guys/gals, and interior space in general is just a bit tight. Get used to brushing your passenger’s knee when shifting (could be good or bad), and don’t plan on packing too much gear in the back if you plan on carrying more than a few passengers.

Also, the driving position is a little off. You sit up pretty high, and the shifter is way down low below your knees. Though this could just be more of a problem for me, as I am a fair bit taller than average. Still, for the price, it’s hard to complain. This might be the best performance deal in the industry right now, and that’s saying a lot.

Specs:

Horsepower: 197

Torque: 202 ft-lbs !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

Curb weight: 2729 lbs

MPG: 27/35 city/highway

0-60: ~6.4 sec

Top speed: 137 mph

Price: .95 V6 Mustangs or $21,400

Reviews:

Road and Track

Motor Trend

Ford Focus ST

For years Ford Europe has been taunting us with these cool, properly fast hatchbacks that we thought we’d never get here on the correct side of the Atlantic (that’s right, shots fired). But Ford finally got their act together, and now we have two hot little potatoes from them that are causing quite a ruckus. All they need to do is bring the Focus RS over here and we would be able to stop complaining, but until then, we’ll have to make due with the ST. This is just fine by me. This new Focus body style is the first one I ever had a reason to pay any real attention to. Before, the Focus was just as ‘meh’ as a base Civic or Corrolla, but they really stepped up their game with this latest generation.

Compared to the Fiesta (because brothers are always compared), this car feels a bit more... fire breathey. Stomp on the skinny pedal in this, and you’re immediately met with two things; One, the headrest on the back of your head, and two, the steering wheel jerking to the right. The torque steer isn’t as bad as the Speed 3, but it’s most definitely there. Surprisingly, I actually kind of like it. It’s enough to let you know it’s packing some serious twist, but not so much that I’m worried about the guy in the lane next to me. The handling here is just excellent. I have never driven a car with a more direct and responsive steering than this. The turn in is incredibly precise, and coming out of a corner brings something not many people are used to in a front drive anything: lift-off over steer. This sounds like a bad thing, but it’s surprisingly manageable, and makes it a ton of fun to toss around. The interior is very well appointed here, with nothing feeling super cheap, and MyFord Touch is finally not terrible (just in time for them to !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ). Once again, you get some bespoke Recaro seats if you pony up the extra dough (and you should), and while they aren’t quite as tight as the Fiesta’s, they will still take some getting used to.

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The driving position in the Focus just feels perfect, though. The pedals are arranged perfectly for some easy heel toe action, and the steering wheel and shifter are exactly where they should be. Once the seats break in, this will make for a great (if a bit stiff) cruiser.

Specs:

Horsepower: 252

Torque: 270 ft-lbs

Curb weight: 3196 lbs

MPG: 23/32 city/highway

0-60: 5.7 sec

Top speed: 155 mph

Price: 1.04 V6 Mustangs or $23,625

Reviews:

Car and Driver

Digital Trends

Volkswagen Golf GTI

If you looked up the term ‘hot hatch’ in the dictionary today, it wouldn’t be in there. But if it was, there would be a picture of a GTI right next to it, which would be weird because dictionaries don’t typically have pictures in them. This is because VW basically invented the market in 1976 when they first introduced the 108 hp GTI, which was good for a blistering 0-60 run of 9.0 seconds! That sounds a bit less than stellar these days, but that was pretty quick at the time.

Luckily, VW has kept up with the times since then, and the GTI is a very quick little machine still today. Its specs may seem a bit more modest than others on this list, but you would never know it from driving one. This is probably the most mature, and well sorted platform of the bunch, but it remains one of the quickest, and is certainly up there in terms of handling as well. VW surprisingly has managed to keep any semblance of torque steer out of the equation (I’m looking at you, Mazda), and all four tires keep firm grip in the corners. Plus, for 2015, you can get it with the Performance Package that boosts the power up significantly. For all that performance, it doesn’t exactly skimp on practicality, either. Trips to Home Depot are still very doable here, which is part of what has always made the GTI so great.

It would be nice if we could turn the traction control completely off, though. Someone slap VW on the wrist for me.

Specs:

Horsepower: 210-220

Torque: 207-258 ft-lbs

Curb weight: 3113 lbs

MPG: 24/34 city/highway

0-60: ~5.7-6.1 sec

Top speed: 150 mph

Price: 1.11 V6 Mustangs or $25,095

Reviews:

Jalopnik Meta Review

Motor Trend

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MazdaSpeed 3

Mazda refreshed the 3 for the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , but they haven’t carried the Speed 3 over to the new body yet, so this is still the second generation, which is getting a bit long in tooth. When the first Speed 3 hit the scene in 2007, it immediately earned it’s reputation as a rip snortin’ little beast of a sleeper. Even in its second generation, it doesn’t look so much different from the standard trim, given how aggressive the styling already is. Once you hear it wail at wide open throttle, though, you’ll be smiling almost as wide as that gaping grill in the front — well that’s my theory on the design, anyway.

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This is definitely one of the most powerful contenders here, and it isn’t shy about letting you know it. The term ‘torque steer’ seems to have been borne of this car, but it’s manageable when you know what to expect, thanks to a real limited slip differential and the fact that they actually limit boost in first and second gear. Handling is plenty competent, but has a tendency to understeer pretty hard under throttle. The steering just feels heavy in general, but is very responsive. Power is surprisingly sparse coming out of corners, and needs to build more revs to hit its sweet spot, at which point it launches like a champ. Interior space is great, and everything you touch has decent-for-the-price materials, and the steering wheel is pretty nice — but the interior is starting to feel a bit dated.

The clutch, like the MazdaSpeed 6, is very binary. It’s either engaged completely, or not at all, which takes some getting used to. Also, it should be noted that this engine is largely unchanged since its introduction, so while it makes great power, you’re paying for it in comparatively low mileage — lowest of the bunch, actually.

Specs:

Horsepower: 263

Torque: 280 ft-lbs

Curb weight: 3223 lbs

MPG: 18/25 city/highway

0-60: ~5.8 sec

Top speed: 146 mph

Price: 1.07 V6 Mustangs or $24,200

Reviews:

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Chevy Sonic RS

Hah! But seriously, GM, bring the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! over here. Ford’s making a killing on their hot hatches and you have this as your only competition. Come on.

Fiat 500 Abarth

File this one in with the Mini under cars that surprised the hell out of me. I’ll be completely honest and say that I really hate the styling of the 500. I seem to be somewhat alone in that, but I could just never get past its bubblegum looks. The Abarth adds some cool logos and paint, but it still just looks like a K-pop Smart Car to me. When I went out to lunch with a guy from work one day, he offered to drive, and we walked up to an Abarth 500. I chuckled and asked if it was his wife’s car, to which he just laughed and told me to get in. What happened next is we peeled out of the parking lot and by the time we got to the restaurant 47 quite illegal seconds later, I had a hell of a time pulling my size 14 foot out of my mouth.

So it’s not that this thing is all that fast in comparison to anything on this list, it’s how unexpected its power is, and how well it corners — which is not unlike a magnetic slot car. The 500 is relatively tall and narrow, and the seating position feels pretty high, but there is only the slightest hint of body roll around turns. The 500 grips harder than I ever would have given it credit for, and can it stop on a dime. There are of course some drawbacks to all this. The ride is pretty stiff, and there isn’t a whole lot of weight to keep it from bouncing around over hard bumps or pot holes. Interior space is of course quite lacking, but you knew that by just looking at it. The back seats are strictly a toddler affair, and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more storage space in single cab trucks than what the 500 has in the back. Still, like I said, you know what you’re getting into, here.

The interior is kind of a mixed bag. Any Abarth additions are very nice, but there are definitely some chintzy feeling materials in there, as well as some very love it or hate it styling. The Abarth steering wheel, though, is seriously a work of art. Much nicer than the price tag would suggest.

Specs:

Horsepower: 160

Torque: 170 ft-lbs

Curb weight: 2564 lbs

MPG: 27/32 city/highway

0-60: ~7.0 sec

Top speed: 129 mph

Price: .98 V6 Mustangs or $22,095

Reviews:

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Hyundai Veloster Turbo

This is at the bottom of the list simply because I have never even sat in one, let alone drive one. Still, it would be irresponsible of me to ignore it completely, so here you go. Most car guys seemed to just laugh this car off when they first saw it in 2011, but when Hyundai crammed 201 horsepower in it a year later, there was nothing to laugh at anymore. Well, except for maybe that weird third door. What’s the deal with that again?

Whereas the base Veloster made it to 60 mph in about the same time my ‘91 Cherokee did (seriously, over 9 seconds), the Turbo sprints up to speed so fast that... Oh wait, no, OK it’s still the slowest one here. BUT, from what I read, it can !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , which is mighty impressive. Other than that, the suspension doesn’t seem to be much to write home about, and it has none of the traction trickery that the rest have to keep the front wheels in line. After reading a few reviews, I’d say this is more of a “pretty warm” hatchback, as opposed to being a true hot hatch. Or, as Edmunds put it, it’s “Sporty VS Sports,” and the Veloster seems to sit firmly on the side of the former. Still, the optional matte paint is kinda cool, and I’ll be honest, it looks pretty damn good from a side profile.

If you want a proper sports car with that illustrious slanty H badge (as we all do), I would suggest looking at a Genesis Coupe, which is excellent.

Specs:

Horsepower: 201

Torque: 195 ft-lbs

Curb weight: 2800 lbs

MPG: 24/33 city/highway

0-60: ~7.3 sec

Top speed: 139 mph

Price: .99 V6 Mustangs or $22,300

Reviews:

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Cnet

Wrap up

So, you might be wondering why I left out anything that I left out, well I’ll give a few reasons. First, I’m just looking at the “cheap” hot hatches, so anything below $30k. This leaves models out like the Golf R and the John Cooper Works stuff, and I didn’t want a bunch of overlap like how almost every Mini has an S model, and they’re all kind of hatchbacks. Then there is the Subaru WRX (or as I like to call it, the Sub Dub), which is no longer available in a hatchback !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , and any number of similar cars that really are competition for these, but aren’t quite hatchbacks like: the Toyobaru twins, Genesis Coupe, Civic Si, Dart GT, Scion TC, and of course, the Mustang V6.

So which one did I decide on for myself? I’m pretty sure I’m going with the Focus ST. It seems to have just the right mix of insanity and practicality for me, as I need the ample rear space for weekends (ladies). The Fiesta was my first choice, but it’s just too small for my 6'4" 245 lbs frame for every day life, and cargo space was a bit limited. The GTI was also high up there for me, but after spending years around various years my friends have owned, I wanted to try something a bit different. Honestly though, with choices like this, it’s hard to argue with almost anything you could pick.

Hopefully this compilation helps someone out. If I save just one poor Jalop from a Sonic RS or Veloster Turbo, I’ve done my job.

UPDATE: I put my money where my mouth is and bought a black Focus ST3 tonight. After driving the Fiesta again, it was tempting as hell, but I need the space. We’ll see how it turns out, but right now, I couldn’t be happier.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 18:47

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Interestingly I found the pedal placement on the Focus ST to be off. The gas is too far below the brake for me to heel-toe unless I'm laying cargo-ship-sized anchors to slow down.

SWITAWI > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 18:48

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Bring on the Hatchbacks!

But please go back and edit the stats on the Abarth...

" Top speed: 27/32 mph " lolz

SHO and STI > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 18:51

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Just a Quick comment on the MS3's gas mileage. When I'm driving my wife's car 25 MPG is easily achievable. When my wife is driving it, 28 All day long. 32 MPG has been achieved a few times on long trips to Arkansas from NC on I-40, when filling up with Ethanol free gasoline. It took the car about 10,000 miles to be able to come close to the numbers we are achieving with it now. (Bought it new in 2012).

plainnottoasted > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 18:56

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Q: How many mustang V6 can I get for that much ?
A: Why would I buy a base model A* when I can get model B in premier trim for the same money?

*And perennially be haunted by "It's cool I guess, but ya coulda had a V8"

flabberboozled > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:00

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Hyundai, y u no make Elantra GTI?

jazzypaul > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:04

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Both of the Ford hatches give me a speed boner, and I've got the wife convinced that a Fiesta ST should be our next car once both the kids are out of car seats. The GTI feels like home (had one for 7 years, that slightly modded GTI turned a couple of friends into firebreathing VW enthusiasts), but I don't know if I want another one if I'm stuck in a 3k lb. car with only 210 hp. Especially because the Fiesta can be had for so cheap. Anyone had much real world experience with one yet? Can they be gotten without the Ford Touch?

Deathtosmurfs > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:05

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Great essay, you really covered all bases. However, you wasted all of your time doing so. All you really needed to say was : BUY THE FUCKING FOCUS ST. Sorry for the caps.

Saracen > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:05

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The MKVII Golf R will have fully defeatable two stage ESC.

The MKVI Golf R can enable this using a VAG-COM cable. I'm sure this will be the same case for the MKVII GTI.

I got my Golf R because AWD and because I got on amazing deal on a new one. If I did not get one it would have been a GTI Autobahn or Focus ST with the ST3 package. The ST was a blast.

Though right now, it's hard to beat the INCREDIBLE deals on a new Abarth. You can get a brand new one in the mid teens.

PardonMyFlemish16 > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:06

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Good write up

Kate's Dirty Sister > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:07

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As a Focus ST owner, I can tell you did your homework because your review is spot on, especially for the recaros and the stiff ride.

BTDUBS > jazzypaul 04/09/2014 at 19:11

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The MK7 with performance pack should be about 220 or 230hp. Also bigger brakes, and a REAL lsd. The other thing is that the 2.0t is underrated from the factory. I have seen stock ones dyno 190 whp right off the showroom floor. The other factor is that it is more balanced than the Fords and handles better too. Watch Top Gear's review of it. It really is the new standard.

midwest_in_sf > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:18

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Great write-up. Will be reading it again. Wish the WRX could have been a part of it, but I understand why not.

GreatPower > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 04/09/2014 at 19:21

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I might add that at a mere 6'2" I was smashing my skull into the roof. By leaning the seat backwards I was only grazing it and utterly destroying rear passenger leg room. Baffling use of interior space as usual by Ford.

BPolcyn > jazzypaul 04/09/2014 at 19:22

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Yes, the lowest trim without the Recaros has sync but no touch. I opted for this as I thought the regular seats were more comfortable and didn't want to pay for touch.

Car-less Car Guy > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 04/09/2014 at 19:32

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I've noticed that with most modern Fords I drive. It's actually very annoying even for everyday driving.

MTY85 > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:32

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The V6 pony cars render the hot hatch pointless in the US.

MarcusBrody > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:36

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I've always wondered why Honda has never made a more performance oriented Fit. It's a practical, but surprisingly reasonably well-handling car now. A little more power and a bit tighter suspension and it could be lots of fun.

ICantStandNewJalopnik > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 04/09/2014 at 19:37

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Yes. I actually bought an attachment to put on my accelerator. Maybe they changed it for 2014, but I doubt it. I am not able to heel-and-toe this thing at all without the attachment that bolts on.

ICantStandNewJalopnik > Kate's Dirty Sister 04/09/2014 at 19:38

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Except for the pedals.

Weez55 > Kate's Dirty Sister 04/09/2014 at 19:38

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As a fellow Focus ST owner I concur.

MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:43

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Drive a Veloster Turbo. It will surprise you. My girlfriend has one and it's a very fun car to drive. The only thing I don't like about it is that the power falls off in high RPM's, but it has a bunch of grunt down low. I even really like the 3rd door!

jstump > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:50

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And THIS is why I bought a Focus ST. No better car for the money, features and smiles you get while driving it. Once you master the list off over steer it is a hoot to drive and rotates like no other FWD car on the market!

Scrape > flabberboozled 04/09/2014 at 19:52

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No, but Kia makes one. Forte 5 Turbo.

G/O Sucks > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:54

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I've been testing all of these after having spent a miserable year in a new Mazda6 (it's a total lemon and Mazda doesn't honor its warranties). I'm going smaller this time so... hot hatch!

- Mazdaspeed3 — The cars are good but the company sucks. Would never buy another car from them, apart from used Miatas.

- Fiesta ST — BRILLIANT. Problem is, the Fiesta has been out awhile now and it seems like they'll replace it soon, which I loathe. Also, it's only a couple grand less than the...

- Focus ST — Also brilliant, though a little more "hard" for everyday use. The size is great but the mileage is going to be a killer with that thirsty engine. Also not pretty and aging.

- GTI — Haven't driven yet but, having owned a couple Mk1 GTI's, it's got my nostalgia. But with options, it'll be around $32k which might be a little hard to justify for a daily.

- 500 Abarth — I love it so, so much but... I already own a Miata and a cat. Know what I mean? The price dirt cheap, it's a ball to drive but... I just can't.

- Cooper S — Crap reliability and pricey to service (thank BMW). G'bye.

- Velostar — I got out before the drive started. Yuck.

Thoughts anyone?

foolio > Saracen 04/09/2014 at 19:55

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Fellow Golf R owner *high five*

The ST wasn't out when I got the car, so I couldn't do a comparison, but I had sat in different Focus models before and I didn't care much for the interior. If I didn't get the R I probably would have ended up in a GTI, but I know I would have been kicking myself every time I saw an R.

Not one ounce of buyer's remorse. I love this car.

Scrape > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 19:57

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You forgot one:

Kia Forte 5 SX

Same 201 HP drivetrain as the Veloster Turbo, including the six speed manual. But with another door and more space! The great Uvo system (beat that, Ford!) Adjustable power steering, heated front and rear seats and power ventilated driver's seat, heated steering wheel, and a really nice interior. This will be my next ride.

Alex Asrian > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 20:01

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Hi, current MK6 GTI owner wanting to chip in.

The GTI is a great car: solid motor, great seats (perfectly bolstered and they're plaid!), EXTREMELY versatile (packed all of my college gear in one trip and got 36 mpg over 400 miles), and relatively inexpensive for a new car.

However, it's kind of the Goldilocks of the hot hatch segment. It does everything great, but nothing spectacular. The one spectacular thing about it is that it is able to do a little bit of everything.

If you want a HOT hot hatch, take a good look at the ST brothers. The steering feel on that Fiesta is spot-on and the power in the Focus is just too fun.

Also, with the $7k dealers are taking off left-over 2013 Abarths, that is just a deal too sweet to pass up, if you're willing to make a few compromises.

Kate's Dirty Sister > G/O Sucks 04/09/2014 at 20:16

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I hereby attest of the focus st poor mpg

I'm getting 19 combined, mostly city but still a far cry from the advertised 23 mpg city. While definitely not an hypermiler, I really don't drive that hard.

I would also like to add that as a former Mazda owner, I'm definitely not getting another one of their sub par products.

edjr5041 > ICantStandNewJalopnik 04/09/2014 at 20:21

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May I ask what/where you got those attachments? Still trying to get used to heel/toe in my Fiesta ST

blacksapphire08 > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 20:50

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So your options are Ford, expensive BMW/Volkswagon, or crap. God GM is so stupid.

Shiftless > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 20:53

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OK, doesn't quite count as hot but the handling will not suck on a standard 1.8T Mk7 Golf or Golf Sportwagen. Get in for the price of an Abarth, add a $500 APR reflash and get a claimed 245 hp / 290 ft lbs

I choose wagon.

http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_u…

takeittothebank > foolio 04/09/2014 at 20:57

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R owner here too. A lot of people also scoff at the sticker of our cars too, but price up a comparable sti or evo and you're in the same ball park. Factor in I spent an extra thousand and now have 330 hp, 325 ftlbs of torque, and complete esc defeat. fantastic, underrated car.

haktical > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 04/09/2014 at 21:05

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Don't have an ST, but I have a regular 5-speed 2012 Focus hatch. Instead of the traditional heel-toe, I use the ball of my foot on the brake and my (smaller) toes to blip the gas (so I effectively use the top half of my foot and not the heel area at all). Did the same thing with my old Escort ZX2. Works great when the pedals are close together and/or mismatched in height like that.

Dugg-117 > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 04/09/2014 at 21:11

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My 13 SE is like that didn't think the ST would be

GoliathRex > MR2_FTW - Group J's resident Stig 04/09/2014 at 21:19

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I was surprised by how lovely the shifter mechanism felt. Easily more precise than most of the cars I test drove (mini s, Abarth, mazdapseed3, ect..) I'd say it felt better than everything save for the FRS and Civic SI. Its fairly practical, and of course comes with a 10 year (!) waranty. If I just wanted a fun DD, the veloster would have been it.

GoliathRex > SHO and STI 04/09/2014 at 21:21

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I typically saw ~22mpg in mine with 75% city driving. I mostly drove it very efficiently... except for the red rev highway merges every couple of days.

steevkay > G/O Sucks 04/09/2014 at 21:29

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Speed3 - a lot of my friends have regular 3s, and experience has been good for them so far. No personal experience.

Fiesta - wasn't it just refreshed recently? This would be in my top 3, easily, possibly top 2.

Focus - I always liked the Focus hatch, but not the sedan. I thought the rear lights (regardless of model) were weird, but better on the hatch. I always liked this one a lot for whatever reason...

GTI - The collective orgasm journalists seem to be having over this one (plus the MkVI set a good precedent) seems to say that it's the most sorted out, and worth the extra.

Abarth - Basically, the only one you love, you won't buy because of... insecurity? Wouldn't let such a silly thing stop you. Maybe you can get a F1 nose kit for it to compensate.

Cooper S - agreed. A real shame, unfortunately, because I really want to like it.

Veloster - the design is very busy, but I'm alright with it. No sense in buying something you'll vomit on every time you see.

Summary: suck it up (financially) and buy the GTI, or suck it up (uh... psychologically?) and get the Abarth.

protodad > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 22:00

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I think this list is right on except for one thing. The MS3 shouldn't be here.

Not because I don't love Mazda (i'm a diehard owning an Rx7 and RX8) or the MS3 (owned a protege5 and would love the MS3). But the fact remains that the MS3 is not based on the current Mazda3, which in and of itself is a fantastic car. Mazda needs to give us a MS3 based on the current Mazda3 and not continue trying to pass off last years (excellent) crap.

eagleyedtiger > steevkay 04/09/2014 at 22:18

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I have always hated the tail lights on the focus sedan as well. They need to change that pronto.

Rollo75 > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 22:28

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Why are you telling GM to step up when GM is insistent on killing off everything that's not from 'Murica. The Astra was sold in the US as a Saturn and Holden had plans to make an HSV 2-door Cruze but Holden got given a bullet to the face.

GM can't see beyond Detroit and are actively playing whack-a-mole with their own company. No wonder they went into Chapter 11.

dapper_otter > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) 04/09/2014 at 22:29

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You're right, the gas pedal placement on the Focus ST sucks, it's way too low to heel toe. I ended up putting a pedal cover on mine to bring it up a half-inch and it's much better.

dapper_otter > GreatPower 04/09/2014 at 22:31

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You must be all torso. I'm 6'3" and my head isn't anywhere near the roof of my Focus ST. Even with a helmet on I barely graze it. However I wouldn't mind the steering wheel coming out a bit more so the driver could sit a bit further back and gain some leg room.

BadMotorScooter > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 22:44

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Why no love for the Sonic RS? The whole mantra here is how it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. The Sonic is a good handling car, a little under-powered yes, but still fun to wring it out for all its worth, and not be near go-to-jail speeds. Add in great feature content and a price substantially lower than anything you listed here (you can pickup a RS manual around $18k) and it is a contender. Plus it gets great MPG and can seat four real sized adults with four doors. It is easily tuneable too if that's your thing, and you'll save enough money going in to upgrade whatever you want.

Beju > SHO and STI 04/09/2014 at 22:52

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I get 15 mpg city in my 2008, though that's with mostly short trips in Chicago, which is a lot more dense than most people's 'city' driving. The off the shelf Cobb AP reflash probably doesn't help, but I didn't do better than about 16 mpg before then anyway. The best I've ever done on the highway was 27 mpg.

Beju > MTY85 04/09/2014 at 23:06

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A big part of the point of hot hatches is offering fun to drive vehicles with practicality for carrying rear seat passengers and cargo. The V6 pony cars do not negate those benefits.

takeittothebank > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 23:25

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Why the Sonic Hate? I have one and a Golf R, and I love using it as a DD. It doesn't have big horsepower, but so what? It handles fine, looks pretty sharp (17 inch gunmetal grey wheels are nice, and the red paint job is the best on any car I've owned), and I get 40 mpg on the highway. And at the price, I wouldn't want any other car to use as a workhorse and for a little fun on the back roads. It may not be the hottest hatch by today's standards with sub 200hp, but that's not what it's about. It's peppy, it's got reasonable handling for its class, and it's economical with style to boot. Even if I didn't have the R, I'd still be happy just having it.

RalphieDC > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 23:38

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I haven't driven one but the Kia Forte5 is available with the same engine as the Veloster turbo, plus it has normal doors and starts at a lower price. If anyone has any experience with it I'd love to hear how it drives.

Asphalt > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 23:43

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Disagree on the Abarth. I definitely wouldn't say it has "minimal" body roll, it's definitely more of a bouncing down the road car rather than being on rails, if you know what I mean.

And the back seat is much more usable than any sports car; four normally sized adults will fit in the car without too many problems.

Frankly what you buy the car for is the exhaust anyway, everything else you can fix on your own using roll bars and ecu chips:

Garrett Davis > BadMotorScooter 04/09/2014 at 23:54

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Looking back on it now, it really looks like I shit all over that car, but I really do like it. It's a cool little car to drive, but it isn't the hot hatch that Chevy wants it to be. My DD right now also has 138 hp, weighs a fair bit less, and is RWD, and it is still dog slow.

The real problem is that a Fiesta ST is less than a thousand more, and GM doesn't have an answer for this market yet in the US. I would have just not included it on this list, but I wanted to make a statement about the ridiculously good hot hatches they have in Europe that we don't get here.

Nick Has an Exocet > Kate's Dirty Sister 04/09/2014 at 23:55

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I have a '11 lancer ralliart that is full time awd and I get better than that. Granted, you have better almost everything else in terms of comfort. I drove the Focus ST on a track and it was fun but a bit numb. It was a weird feeling because I could plant it just about anywhere I wanted and really fling it around but I just didn't get the same visceral communication through the wheel that I'm used to. The Jaguar F-Type, which is known for having good but light steering was similar (better, but not 90k better). And yes, I just compared an F-Type for a Focus. Someone kill me.

Garrett Davis > Asphalt 04/09/2014 at 23:56

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I guess the qualifier here is that these aspects are all relative. I thought it was going to be terrible, but I came away impressed. It's not really any competition for the others in terms of performance, but it's still in the hot hatch territory.

Kevin Barrett > Garrett Davis 04/09/2014 at 23:57

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I'm surprised you said of this car, "Interior space is great." I rented one and was horrified at how cramped it felt compared to the previous Mazda3 and my own Protege5. Are all the contemporary compact hatches as horrible as this suggests to me?

Garrett Davis > Kate's Dirty Sister 04/09/2014 at 23:58

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Interesting to hear that about the mileage. I just bought an ST3 tonight, so I'll have to report back on how my mileage is. I had heard from others that it wasn't great, but certainly not that bad.

Garrett Davis > Scrape 04/09/2014 at 23:59

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Interesting. I didn't even know this existed.

Garrett Davis > takeittothebank 04/10/2014 at 00:01

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Like I said to someone else above, it really is a cool little car, and worlds better than the Aveo shitbox it replaced, but it just doesn't qualify as a hot hatch for me. My current DD has the equivalent power, except it's lighter and RWD, and I don't consider that to be one either.

GM really needs to release an SS version, or better yet, bring over some of the fantastic VXRs they sell over in Europe.

Garrett Davis > Deathtosmurfs 04/10/2014 at 00:02

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Hahaha, I guess that's true. I just bought one today ;)

Scrape > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 00:03

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It is just hitting showrooms now. I was supposed to beat dealers last fall.

Garrett Davis > Kevin Barrett 04/10/2014 at 00:04

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The trunk space is pretty generous. Especially with the seats folded down. The drummer of my old band fits his whole 9-piece kit in the back along with stands and cymbals. Impressive.

The Focus is probably the most spacious one here though.

Nick Has an Exocet > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 00:04

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I've only car I've driven from your list is the Focus ST. I found the steering and clutch to be kind of vague. The clutch was probably due to the all the beatings it took from other people that day. The steering was a bit light for my taste. I could place the car where I wanted but it wasn't as exciting and communicative as I thought it should be. I tend to enjoy a real connected feeling to the front tires but I'm probably in the minority. When I start to lose front end grip, I want to feel the steering to lighten up so I can react. With the Focus ST, I felt like I was guessing right every time rather than reacting. It was still good fun though. It's probably the best balanced car on your list but don't be surprised if you get a little bored with it. My rule of thumb is to buy with emotion and not a spreadsheet.

6 months from now, you want to think "I don't like X about the car but I loooooove Y" and not "I don't like X but this car got the most points on my spreadsheet so I should live with it".

Garrett Davis > MarcusBrody 04/10/2014 at 00:04

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Seriously. The Fit Sport doesn't count.

Garrett Davis > blacksapphire08 04/10/2014 at 00:05

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I would absolutely love to see some VXRs over here. Ford is taking the US hot hatch market right now, and GM needs to step it up big time. Case in point, I just bought a Focus ST today.

BreakfstMancent > protodad 04/10/2014 at 00:07

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I may have missed something, the list is on currently sold cars right? The Mazdaspeed3 is still sold this year and on the website, despite the new generation. Much like how the E92 M3 was on BMW for quite a while overlapping platform introductions.

Kevin Barrett > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 00:10

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I think what struck me most was the bulkiness of the seats, dashboard, and center console. I have no doubt the car is larger over all than my P5, but the 3 was crowding me where the P5 was getting out of my way.

Garrett Davis > Kevin Barrett 04/10/2014 at 00:12

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The Protege was definitely a very spacey car, but I can see what you mean. The front seats are pretty confined in comparison. Unfortunately, that just seems to be how they're designing cars now. Big, bulky dashes and seats. Much more cockpit like.

Garrett Davis > Nick Has an Exocet 04/10/2014 at 00:15

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Strange. I think you're the only person I've ever heard complain about the steering. It is on the light side (opposite of the MS3), but it's incredibly direct, and the turn in is fantastic. As for the clutch, yeah, I'd tend to agree, but it's definitely the easiest clutch I've ever driven. It just seems to engage easily, and the sweet spot is very broad, but when it grabs, you're not wallowing, you're going hard. Again, this is the opposite of the Speed 3, where the clutch was awful.

Margatroid > MarcusBrody 04/10/2014 at 00:19

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Never?

takeittothebank > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 00:23

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Yeah, I get what you mean about it's classification. It's a little nitpicky still, in my opinion. Just a decade ago we would have been calling it a hot hatch, and it would have been competitive in the same range si's and integras would have been. Though industry standards in terms of horsepower and torque have changed, it's kind of just spliting hairs. I mean , I think it would be cool if chevy released something to be competitive against the Fiesta, maybe still sub 200hp (like 180-190) but at the same time (and this is specifically in my case) the little 1.4 handles itself alright and doesn't thin out my wallet as much as the Golf R. Anyway, it's not gonna hit the pavement like most of these other cars, but it is still fun and I'm glad you replied. Thanks a bunch.

Also, I'd love it if we got some VXR's. That Insignia Wagon, damn.

Scrape > RalphieDC 04/10/2014 at 00:26

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They are JUST getting into showroom now after being promised last fall. I'm on the list at my local dealer so as soon as they get one, they'll supposedly give me a call. Last inventory check when at the dealer...there were three in the US.

SpittinOnYoOnionRingz > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 00:32

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I DD an Abarth right now, and here's what I have to say.

Yes the ride is stiff. Yes it's a little tight on space. And yes it's a hairdressers car. But let me tell you something: every time you give the gas a little tap tappity tap tap, you forget about all of that.

That exhaust note is like 90% of the reason why I bought the thing, it just makes you (and everyone around you) smile and laugh. It's just way too much fun to drive. There is a decent feel of body roll in it, but the aftermarket is so huge for it already that that can be upgraded immediately. Speaking of which, they make chips for the Abarth right now that are good for 240hp. 240 FRICKEN HORSES. IN A CAR THE SIZE OF A SHOEBOX. WRX killer right there. I hope to be getting my stage 3 it from RRM here this summer.

But it really isn't the tamest of the hot hatches available here, it can be very Jekyl and Hyde in and out of sport mode, but it just wants to romp all day like the Fiesta. Really though, I got mine for $18k flat out of the dealer, and that comes with the Abarth track day experience. It really is a damn good bang for the buck.

cazzyodo > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 00:44

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congrats on the purchase. From one 6'4" st owner to another.

Just washed mine today after work!

Garrett Davis > cazzyodo 04/10/2014 at 00:50

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Very nice! I love the red, wanted a white, but ended up walking out with a black ST3. The only options I actually wanted were the Recaros and the upgraded sound system, but I ended up with it being fully loaded for only about $1k more than the ST2 with an extended warranty.

The ST gods apparently look favorably upon me.

RocketScientist > G/O Sucks 04/10/2014 at 00:55

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I went GTI, the Fiesta wasn't an option at the time. The Focus I could get ahold of failed to start the first time and was stuck in what turns out was a transport mode: dead cluster, not even a tach and blank screens.

With 32 mpg typically from the GTI I think it was the better choice for me. I love that Blue though.

Garrett Davis > takeittothebank 04/10/2014 at 01:12

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Eh, my car's a '97, and the reviews at that time still called it slow. Also, the market changes. This hopped up econoboxes are faster than super cars from a few decades back. What makes a hot hatch now is a higher standard than before, and it will always be that way.

TFiPW > BadMotorScooter 04/10/2014 at 02:12

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Because it's not a hot hatch. It's has nothing on the Fiesta ST.

gnti > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 04:09

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Good choice, from a fellow Black ST3 owner.

gnti > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 04:10

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Good choice, from a fellow Black ST3 owner.

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > G/O Sucks 04/10/2014 at 04:19

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I haven't experienced it, but the Focus ST should, in theory, be able to pull off decent MPG if you drive it right. My MK6 GTI is supposed to get 21/31, but I've never had a tank under 24, regardless of how I drive it. I typically average between 27 and 28. Same size engine as the ST, so I guess I would have figured it'd be similar.

RSanthony > Asphalt 04/10/2014 at 04:27

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That sound! This car is probably the one I prefer from that list. It's just so much fun. Fun to look at. Fun to listen to. Fun to toy around with. I (almost) don't even care it's FWD. The only problem I have with it is the steering wheel you can't bring closer to you. Sitting a little too high is something I can live with. But I really like the steering wheel high up, and more importanly, close to my body. Otherwise it just feels like some sportscar from a long gone era.

G/O Sucks > Kate's Dirty Sister 04/10/2014 at 06:35

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Yeah, it blows me away how badly Mazda botched my experience with the brand in 12 short months. Now, I'd NEVER recommend anyone buy a Mazda. Still good driving experience, but the countless gremlins that popped up and refusal to fix them is disgusting...

MPG is a bit more of a concern — ethically more than $ — so that's good info. I'm tempted to go Fiesta ST but it still feels a bit like a kids car. At the end of the day, I have a feeling it'll probably be Mk VII GTI.

G/O Sucks > steevkay 04/10/2014 at 06:38

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Nah, I'm not THAT in love with the Abarth, it's just a really fun, charismatic car. Something that'll obviously be a future classic of sorts. But it's incredibly small, cheap, short of headroom, etc. Awesome car but not the complete package. And again, I drive a Miata on the weekends so clearly I've gotten over image issues! But all that female marketing the brand did is frankly one thing I don't like about it. Stupid, perhaps, but real.

Admiral Picard > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 07:13

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Focus exterior: YUM.

Focus interior: BLECH.

Not in the market right now (still loving my 09 Mazda3), but I'd have to think about whether I could deal with that typical American-style awkward-looking interior. It looks like a teenager obsessed with the Transformers designed it, lots of goofy plastic and odd angles.

Would love me some GTI, but you know, reliability. One of these days VW will actually figure out how to make a car with Honda-like reliability (and no, Mexico is not a step in the right direction), and I can't wait because damn if they aren't the sexiest hatchbacks I've ever seen and I want one really really really freakin' bad.

ZweiDeutschesAutos > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 08:00

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Awesome summary! Very considered, incisive, and well-written.

I've had two Mk6 GTIs and loved both. I cross-shopped the first one in '10 with the Mini (which I almost got) and ended up finding the GTI a better-priced and quicker alternative. Fast forward to 2013 and I was set on a 135i but the end of production and the resulting lack of cars with the M Sport package in non-awful colors put me back at VW. I wasn't impressed with the Golf R's initial power and call me crazy but I like DSG in my daily so I bought a loaded '13 Autobahn which is now the beneficiary of an APR tune and some Michelin SuperSport rubber. It's refined, fast, and fun.

If I had to do it again today, the Abarth would be very tempting. So is an S3 or S4 but I still need a hatch! Focus is awesome but not quite my taste even though I definitely respect it.

BigRed03 > RalphieDC 04/10/2014 at 08:02

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My girlfriend just got a Forte5 EX, the 2.0 GDI. Its roomy and comfortable! Those seats are nice, even though they're cloth. It has a twist beam rear, which is pretty decent. Haven't flogged it too hard (only 500 miles or so on it), but with 205/55/16 tires there is a fair bit of deflection. 17s would solve this. The "adjustable" electric steering to me feels vague, but I've only ever driven cars with more direct feeling (i.e. Focus SVT). There is a fair bit of tire noise, but that could be the stock Kuhmos...

ZweiDeutschesAutos > BadMotorScooter 04/10/2014 at 08:02

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One word: refinement. The others on this list feel like premium European with the possible exception of the Speed3. The Sonic is fun and cheap but nowhere near the full-package proposition of the others on this list IMHO.

Ry-bones, FiST pilot > G/O Sucks 04/10/2014 at 08:02

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Get the Abarth, hang some Truck Nutz from it and call it a day.

ZweiDeutschesAutos > G/O Sucks 04/10/2014 at 08:03

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Get a Mk6 GTI now while there's still inventory. The arrival of the Mk7 will bring discounts!

ZweiDeutschesAutos > takeittothebank 04/10/2014 at 08:06

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Not meant to be snarky, and a serious question: doesn't the difference in interior quality between this and your R drive you crazy? The Sonic I was in was very unimpressive.

ZweiDeutschesAutos > Kevin Barrett 04/10/2014 at 08:08

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Just sayin: I LOVE driving the P5. It reminds me of a Japanese E30. Great feedback and connection vs everything on this list, my own car included!

Ry-bones, FiST pilot > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 08:13

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I tested the Focus ST, great power, great seats, I liked the clutch and shifter, but the interior ruined it for me. Armrest is in the way of shifting (why oh why did they do this?), console is all in-your-face.

Kate's Dirty Sister > G/O Sucks 04/10/2014 at 08:28

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I got a 2003 protege5 and a 2006 speed, both new.

Both started to disintegrate after 3 years, and the speed6 was always broken, they replaced pretty much everything once, sometimes twice, and sometimes without being able to find the issue.

I always wanted a GTI, it came pretty close last summer but Ford kept throwing insane incentives at me for the Focus ST so I had no choice !

jstump > G/O Sucks 04/10/2014 at 08:44

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My Focus ST with a 93 Octane Stage 1 FSwerks tune gets an average of 26 MPG with mixed (80%)highway and (20%)city driving and me having fun with it doing a few full throttle pulls here and there. I am experimenting this week to see how far I can push the MPG by keeping out of boost on my commute to and from work and easy throttle around town and I am getting 29 MPG. Not what I would call bad by any means. Compare that to my buddy with a 2011 Speed3 who can't even break 21 MPG if he tried his hardest and it's a huge difference.

allie1108 > Kate's Dirty Sister 04/10/2014 at 08:48

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Except that the pedals are horrible for heel toe shifting, except when you're braking from 130 at your local racetrack

jstump > Kate's Dirty Sister 04/10/2014 at 08:55

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I would look into TSB 13-9-7 because what you are describing has been fixed for a lot of people by getting this TSB done. I have no problem getting 26 MPG average while still hooning my ST almost daily. If you keep it out of boost you should be able to get at least 23 in the city.

Kate's Dirty Sister > jstump 04/10/2014 at 08:56

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thanks for the info, I will ask my dealer.

Went for a recall last month but it was for headlights.

RG1527 > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 08:59

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No Juke Nismo RS? For Shame!

philphil > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 09:03

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"Please don't notice our bumper running straight through the huge fake grille" syndrome is a deal breaker. Never ever ever.

Daniel Fleck > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 09:04

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Glad you joined the Focus ST club! However, I disagree with your statement:
"The driving position in the Focus just feels perfect, though. The pedals are arranged perfectly for some easy heel toe action, and the steering wheel and shifter are exactly where they should be. "

The pedals aren't arranged easy for heel toe except maybe on the track. At least in mine, the accelerator is far too low and to the side to be easy to reach unless I am full on braking. I am looking for a shim solution to bring it up so that all the pedals are at the same level where they should be. Also, the shifter is in a great position, but I felt like the throws were a bit long for a sporty car, so I got a short shift linkage which I highly recommend. http://www.steedafocus.com/parts/steeda-f… It makes the shifts quite a bit heavier and maybe a bit clunky, but the throws are nice and short like they should be.

Daniel Fleck > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 09:07

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I get around 21ish city, up to around 28 highway (at around 70-75mph). The gearing is very short. I almost wish 6th was 5th and they added an actual highway cruising gear. 5th where it is seems almost useless. It almost feels like they added it in for a top speed number or something, not for real world driving.

Daniel Fleck > Garrett Davis 04/10/2014 at 09:09

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I would really love to see a Spark RS or SS. It would be awesome to have a hot hatch at the